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Skooter

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.22lr goat hunting.
« on: August 11, 2009, 10:27:25 AM »
I've been knocking over a few goats lately with my .22lr's
Namely: a Savage Mk2 F with CCI Velocitors
And a Norinco EM332 with CCI Stingers
I have a Fully suppressed Marlin 980ss which is relegated to smaller quarry, damn quiet though.

The velocitors are good, A hyper velocity 40gr HP. 1435fps for 181fpe and
the highest retained energy I've seen yet with over 100fpe at 100yrds.
Stingers were average in their performance, far better on turkeys and hares/rabbits/possums.

What is your preferred ammo and style/shot placement techniques when shooting goats with a .22lr?

I almost always aim for the base of the brain, near where the spine connects with the scull. Although I've had success with neck shots breaking the spine. Lung shots have worked but are risky. Last one only ran 20m or so and sat down.

Andrew
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Yoman

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EM332
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2009, 11:10:42 AM »
Off the topic, but whats the 332 like compared to the Savage?
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Skooter

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Re: EM332
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2009, 12:06:42 PM »
Quote from: "Yoman"
Off the topic, but whats the 332 like compared to the Savage?

Actually the EM332 is of superior quality, and has to potential to be far more accurate. The action is smooth, unlike the Savage was at first, its getting better. The machining is better, and it has a far better magazine even if it only holds 5 rounds to the savages 10. The savage was plagued with problems, a poorly machined action and chamber which I had to de-burr to stop it nicking the front of bullets. It is accurate though and is getting better and better. The magazine though is a pain. Way too flimsy and rattles when installed, a bit of black tape round the top fixed this. I am extremely impressed with the Norinco. It is extremely accurate with the right ammo and has potential for more with better bedding and a tuned trigger. Solidly built, it is a little on the heavy side for a .22 but is smooth as silk. My only real issue with it is that it has a short chamber so when chambering a round like a stinger or Velocitor the bullet contacts the rifling and makes it harder to close the bolt, this is only and issue when rapid firing is needed, say like at a fleeing goat :shock:

It is worth every cent.
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2009, 08:39:26 PM »
I haven't used my .22lr for goats yet, but i would most definitely consider it at close range with aguila supermax. 201 fpe at the muzzle does serious damage on bunnies!

I don't think id use it for anything over 100m tho. The magnum is probably good to 200m with excellent shot placement. But im not that good yet. The .222 has been my weapon of choice in the past for goats, as most of our shots are 300+, but im about to move up to 30-06, because its cheaper to shoot (crappy ammo tho) and i cant afford a separate rifle for deer and goats.

If i were in bush, I would take a .22lr if i knew there were going to be no deer. Have been caught out before, and its not a good feeling. Just watching it walk away....
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Skooter

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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2009, 10:15:45 AM »
Quote from: "crnkin"
I haven't used my .22lr for goats yet, but i would most definitely consider it at close range with aguila supermax. 201 fpe at the muzzle does serious damage on bunnies!

I don't think id use it for anything over 100m tho. The magnum is probably good to 200m with excellent shot placement. But im not that good yet. The .222 has been my weapon of choice in the past for goats, as most of our shots are 300+, but im about to move up to 30-06, because its cheaper to shoot (crappy ammo tho) and i cant afford a separate rifle for deer and goats.

If i were in bush, I would take a .22lr if i knew there were going to be no deer. Have been caught out before, and its not a good feeling. Just watching it walk away....

I would advise against the Super Max, Yeah 1750fps and 204fpe is awesome on rabbits and small game but goats are substantially tougher than rabbits eh. You want the heaviest load that is accurate. That is why I chose the Velocitors, 40gr, 1435fps, 184fpe. They have a shallow hollow point and penetrate very well I've used CCI Stingers on goats and found them too explosive unless you hit them in the spine, they go down like a bomb hit em then. The Aguila is more explosive, real hot load, only problem is finding a rifle that shoots them accurately.

Andrew
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2009, 10:53:59 PM »
I hear you.

They do shatter at close range for sure. Have never had a ricochet with one yet.

My rifle is actually just as accurate with pretty much any ammo. The worst was aguila SSS 60g. the best was CCI subs. CCI mini mag, aguila super extra, and supermax, all group 1 inch at 50 or better, shooting off my cars wing mirror. Super bench rest style :)

I however disagree with the price. They are the cheapest round in Queenstown. $50 for 500 super extra, $79 for super max. No one stocks CCI hypers due to the cost, however the subs and mini mag are very cheap, namely $14/100.

I do think the extra SD is an advantage too, especially when shooting over 50m.

I wont be using it on goats around here anyway. Too many deer to be carrying round a toy, need a real calibre to avoid disappointment.

I do need to buy a box of velocitors and stingers, but have heard many bad things about the accuracy of them on RFC, but my winchester loves almost any round, so should be fine.

Cheers!
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Skooter

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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2009, 10:12:35 AM »
I get the best accuracy out of most of my 22s with Stingers, Velocitors and Winchester Powerpoints. I cant get Super Max's to group, like 1" at 25m. Stingers are about 10mm at 25m out of my EM332. Powerpoints are a bit better as are Velocitors. CCI Subs are oneholers from my Savage MK2 at 25yrds but it has been plagued with FTF and FTE problems, I'm sending it away to be modified, apparently it is a problem with the MK2s they have a weak extractor and a gay magazine. They shoot well one you finally get a round in the chamber.

Mini Mags are good too. As are Reminton Cyclones
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2009, 10:40:13 AM »
Quote from: "Skooter"
CCI Subs are oneholers from my Savage MK2 at 25yrds but it has been plagued with FTF and FTE problems, I'm sending it away to be modified, apparently it is a problem with the MK2s they have a weak extractor and a gay magazine.

I had probs with my Savage II ten shot mag feeding, took the rifle back to Gunshed and they had a play with it and got it going sweet.  However, I've converted using 5 shot stainless mags (better constructed than the blued, not as sharp and better edged) and haven't had a problem with those.
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 10:58:56 AM »
I get annoyed with mags sticking out below the stock, which is why i haven't pursued getting a 10 shot for my winchester.

I will have to buy a pack of velocitors and stingers to check out the accuracy, i honestly hadnt even considered it with the aguila's working quite well.
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2009, 05:41:06 PM »
Quote from: "Yoman"
Quote from: "Skooter"
CCI Subs are oneholers from my Savage MK2 at 25yrds but it has been plagued with FTF and FTE problems, I'm sending it away to be modified, apparently it is a problem with the MK2s they have a weak extractor and a gay magazine.

I had probs with my Savage II ten shot mag feeding, took the rifle back to Gunshed and they had a play with it and got it going sweet.  However, I've converted using 5 shot stainless mags (better constructed than the blued, not as sharp and better edged) and haven't had a problem with those.

I like having ten shots available for when I'm bombing up mobs of Turkeys where you only have seconds before they gap it. My Savage is getting the Chamber re-reamed, it's an issue they are aware of and have figured out. Mine won't extract Live rounds, with the exception of rounds like Power Points in which the bearing surface is quite a way back, stuff like stingers engage the rifling and the weak extractor can't pull them out.  H&F are sending theirs back too, should only take a week or so, otherwise its a nice rifle and once these problems are ironed out it will be an excellent shooter. Shot a whole bunch of roosters at a mates place with it the other day. Stingers and Power points are murder on Chickens, go down like a bomb hit em.
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2009, 05:59:02 PM »
Quote from: "crnkin"
I get annoyed with mags sticking out below the stock, which is why i haven't pursued getting a 10 shot for my winchester.

I will have to buy a pack of velocitors and stingers to check out the accuracy, i honestly hadnt even considered it with the aguila's working quite well.

I like the extra capacity of a 7 or 10 shot mag. My EM332 has a five shot flush mounted Mag and I'm always running out of shots when it gets heavy.

You'll like the Stingers and Velocitors, Stingers are awesome on rabbits an turkeys, 191fpe helps too, the velocitors are better at longer range and for heavier game like wallabies, goats or the odd pig. I've experienced excellent accuracy with both in all my .22s.

Andrew
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2009, 09:02:53 PM »
I got my first goat with a Browning BL22 lever action firing .22lr CCI Subs with a close in shot.
And recently my mate got his first 2 goats with his Erma lever action firing CCI Stingers which worked pretty damn good.

Now I prefer to use my Norinco JW23 .22WMR instead for the extra range and stopping power.  :D
I'm in this vid shooting off the boat:
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2009, 03:38:01 PM »
Awesome video, jealous!
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2009, 08:02:30 PM »
Has anyone used a 17HMR on goats?
If a rabbit comparison is anything to go on, a well placed HMR round should be quite effective.

About to what range would be readily lethal?
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Re: .22lr goat hunting.
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2009, 08:31:52 PM »
apollyon25,
I have a mate who shoots goats with his suppressed .17HMR, he only takes head and neck shots, from 100m or less. I don't think he's had any run away. He started using the 20gr hollow points but went to the 17gr vmax, without any difference.
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